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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:21:00 -
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Singoth wrote:Keep It Simple: set your contact standings. Everyone who is red will not be able to buy things from you on the market or through contracts Also everyone who has war declared on your corp will not be able to buy things from you on the market or through contracts. PvPers will have to choose carefully who they gonna shoot, because there may be more consequences than just tears  Not going to be a popular idea, thus CCP is probably not going to do it, and additionally any ideas like this will be shot down. But it sure is interesting, hypothetically speaking :P"
It won't work.
I'm a pvper for example. I currently have 4 characters active - pvp, exploration/scouting, nullsec anom/sig running, industry.
Even if someone took a disliking to me because of pvp and decided to block me from buying from them, so what? I don't buy much on this character anyway. Almost all of my buying and selling is done through my industry alt.
That character will never be blocked by anyone because it's an unknown entity, except to one other person on the forum.
So implementing this idea would not affect me one little bit, even if someone wanted to.
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:28:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Congratulations, you are playing patch-proof correctly.
As is/will everyone. This idea doesn't provide a non-violent solution to what you are trying to do.
I'm all for more diversity and if PvE players have more tools that they feel comfortable using in order to "fight back", then great.
You just have to realise though, that many players within Corps/Alliances like CODE., The Marmite Collective, etc. already use their own industry/hauling alts.
Solutions can be used by anyone, even non-violent ones.
You already have violent solutions to your perceived problem. Opening up other non-violent means to fight back will also open up other fronts on which people can also fight against you.
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:53:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Good. I'm proposing a new way to play, not a "make everything easy-mode" button.
Then surely you should be celebrating the Code and the organisation that has built around it?
They also dislike the easy-mode playstyle of bots and people in highsec that have a general disregard for their own safety.
So if I understand you correctly, you want this feature in order to use against people who get ganked because they are playing the game on easy-mode. I think the title of your thread might be a little misleading then.
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Posted - 2014.06.19 22:07:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Your logic is contrived.
Of course it was contrived. It fits well in this thread as the logic of this idea is contrived.
Of course it could always be naive rather than contrived, but I don't think you are really that naive. Like Sol implied, you are just playing games.
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Posted - 2014.06.19 22:30:00 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:Why do you people say, "It can easily be circumvented with alts," like that's a bad thing? More people needing more alts is good for CCP, and what's good for CCP is good for EVE.
It's not more people though. The alts already exist. However, the only thing needed is 1 alt.
Take the Marmite Collective for example. They have 244 members at the moment, but only need 1 out of Corp alt to do all of their buying and selling.
They already have lots of out of Corp alts supporting their wardec activities.
This idea wouldn't affect them beyond reorganising their logistics.
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Posted - 2014.06.19 22:37:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:I don't actually have a carebearing or mining alt. -.-
But not all of your sisters are at negative sec status either? Surely at least 1 of them is at 0.0
Plus, being the friendly type that you are, even if you were all at -10.0, you'd easliy be able to make an arrangement with someone for your market needs.
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Posted - 2014.06.19 22:50:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:So far nobody has proposed anything that invalidates the idea's usefulness.
What?
There have been several examples posted of why the idea isn't useful.
They all come back to - it will have no practical affect on anything. Nothing with change and it won't achieve one iota of difference.
It's no better than a Carebear throwing ISK away by placing a bounty on someone and thinking that makes a difference.
This is an idea doomed to the same level of usefulness. It will only annoy new players who don't have the knowledge or experience to understand that's it's a compliment, not a road block.
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Posted - 2014.06.19 22:58:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Stop manufacturing. Stop marketing. Let them run out of their little dessies. See what they do then. If we're lucky, they'll all migrate to Elder Scrolls Online, and we can go back to what we do best here.
This would only hurt the people who do make the components and ships used by pirates/gankers/wardeccers.
As to the pirates/gankers/wardeccers - they'll just use their industry alts to manufacture the stuff themselves.
That's the big difference between pirates/gankers/wardeccers and carebears (even if you have the view that they are all carebears).
The first group get organised and act, while the second group just talk about how they need CCP to help them.
If things change, the pirates/gankers/wardeccers will just change right along with it and keep going. The Carebears will come and complain that they need yet even more tools.
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